[Malloy]

Hey Everyone,

I just wanted to throw this out there as I foresee the requirement to change things in the near future.

In your opinion, what are things that should change that could or would benefit our community. Feel free to think outside the box, to make technical or functional suggestions, or to merely express your opinion on some current features of our community.

Basically, I want to know what you...as members...truly feel about this place.

If you wish to remain anonymous, please send me a PM with your comments and I will post them here without linking to the author.

Thanks,

Malloy

[KurtistheTurtle]

Personally, I think this place needs D3 and some new people. Young people.

haha, just kiddin'

but in the future, I think this place should look to cater somewhat to the younger generation. At the BB right now theres kind of one strain of person who plays the game, and one who doesn't.. if you can get my vague statement.

I also think we need some fresh blood who won't post 3 paragraphs on how they really feel about _____ in the padded room.

The other thing we should get is an official MIRC channel, preferably built into the browser.

[Monsinour]

what is the posibility of making "acidbux" a reality? I have seen, and i feel this way as well, members not happy with having to have mules just to store pgems. We should not have to purchase the begining balance of "acidbux" for real money, but there has to be a way to convert our pgems into "acidbux" so that we do not have to have mules upon mules of pgems.

[Metalzoa]

^ Mons I've drawn up so many blueprints for a system like that .. even tried running a contest like that. The problem was that I was working alone, but its very viable to do so.

I support the acidbux movement.

[Vebev]

You mean something like forum gold?

[peterpaulrubens]

KurtistheTurtle, on Apr 23 2009, 02:39 PM, said:

The other thing we should get is an official MIRC channel, preferably built into the browser.

IIRC Invision won't let us run an IRC daemon on their server. We could run a channel on another server - someone's home server, or a channel on one of the huge IRC networks (Efnet, DALNet, etc), but that begs the question as to how "official" it is...

[sambo.]

my $0.02

i'm in favour of broadening our horizons somewhat and becoming the "Legit Gaming Site" rather than the "Legit D2 Players Site".

that said, i think once D3 is released we should aim at being the BEST D3 gamers site around. this will mean a lot of experimentation on the part of our members to find viable and cooky builds to use in D3. props to Malloy and DragoonWraith for all the work they have done thus far on the wiki.

Monsinour, on Apr 24 2009, 07:54 AM, said:

what is the posibility of making "acidbux" a reality? I have seen, and i feel this way as well, members not happy with having to have mules just to store pgems. We should not have to purchase the begining balance of "acidbux" for real money, but there has to be a way to convert our pgems into "acidbux" so that we do not have to have mules upon mules of pgems.

but, but, i LIKE trading for mass pgems. means i can re-roll my baal gc's..........

[Monsinour]

Vebev, on Apr 23 2009, 06:34 PM, said:

You mean something like forum gold?

kinda, just not able to purchase "acidbux" with real money. No donations to the site to get "acidbux." Maybe the starting amount of "acidbux" can come from post count or # of stars a member has. Hell, I have no idea how to start out the "acidbux" but I know that I am not alone in the movement for some kind of common currency that works on this forum for the multitude of games we support.

Taking sambo.'s idea further, if we truely want to be the legit gamer's site, we will be supporting a multitude of games and pgems only works on D2. Without "acidbux," I would have a very hard time breaking into a new game that some of our members are into.

[moordakhan]

i havnt been around as long as most of u but this is probly the site i visit the most and would love to see it grow.

i love the idea of it being more a legit gamers forum then just a d2 or bliz games forum there are alot of good games out there.

as for "acidbux" another good idea, as a common currency is needed. i would say give out a set amount to people that are already members then a much lower amount to new members after u start it up.this being it keeps the people who join just to get the free currency from spending it and never coming back.then set up some sort of trade in system(useful game items) to ern more "acidbux" a common store ran bye the admins and mods.then the store can trade items back to players for other items or "bux".this may seem like alot of work but any idea that will be some what fair that doesnt have real money will be and may requere a few more trade mods.maybe older members that the admins know and trust
e.g. of useful game items are d2-pgems,commoncrfting runes,mid and higher runes,high end items uniques(maywant to stay away from these items du to room taken up)/ guildwars- gold,item add ons/wow -gold,herbs and such

also when trying to grow not scaring new members off by being rude to them when their 1st or 2nd post is breaking the rules also helps.i under stand the need to keeps talk of some items and programs off the forums but a friendly edit and please read rules goes further then some comments ive seen.i also know they should read the rules before posting but im also sure 90% of them dont.sure most dont mean anything bye thier comments but a newbie dont know that

[jirp5]

If you want to continue then expansion to at least some new games will be necessary.

This site has 2 main reasons for existance. Legit trading and information. Given things like forum gold it will be tough to compete against since they are now "legit".(listening to the players in public baal runs it sounds like it is the main source for hacks too even if they say they are legit) While I would love to see some similiar system in here it will likely lead to more problems than it solves.

My guess for the future of the site is that it will either stay small catering to a limited audience or it will have to implement some form of trade currency and in the process become less legit.

On the information side the information is good but it will have to cross to new platforms as D2 dies out if the site is to continue to exist.

[blue-diablo]

jirp5, on Apr 24 2009, 12:16 AM, said:

If you want to continue then expansion to at least some new games will be necessary.

Agreed. I know we have the ability to grow, to reach out to new members, but the question is, how would we do that? Word of mouth? Something we need to decide on, as a whole.

jirp5, on Apr 24 2009, 12:16 AM, said:

This site has 2 main reasons for existance. Legit trading and information. Given things like forum gold it will be tough to compete against since they are now "legit".(listening to the players in public baal runs it sounds like it is the main source for hacks too even if they say they are legit) While I would love to see some similiar system in here it will likely lead to more problems than it solves.

I would hate to see forum gold of any kind implemented with the basic means of acquiring by posts. This is key as to what separates us from other sites, and would only drive up the number of people who make one or two word comments after every other poster. Going out on a limb, I think the mods don't want to spend 90% of their time moving/deleting posts and topics that people make, just so they can get good items.

This isn't to say that I'm against forum gold of some kind, but it'd have to be heavily regulated, or have very specific restrictions. The best thing I can think of, is to base it on the number of days someone has been a member here. Then all the spamming in the world wouldn't change what they get. Perhaps, as a form of punishment, any warns could also affect their forum gold supply, like, 10% warn = 10% reduction of total forum gold?

jirp5, on Apr 24 2009, 12:16 AM, said:

My guess for the future of the site is that it will either stay small catering to a limited audience or it will have to implement some form of trade currency and in the process become less legit.

The only way this place would ever become less legit is if several long term members, many of which are mods, up and left. Never going to happen.
Also, the trade currency might be abused, but strict rules with strict punishments for breaking them would certainly be enforced here, of all places.

jirp5, on Apr 24 2009, 12:16 AM, said:

On the information side the information is good but it will have to cross to new platforms as D2 dies out if the site is to continue to exist.

Yes, we'll have to develop a wider information base for/to the people who play other games, which is a bit of a paradox. We need members to create that info, and we need that info to bring in members. Perhaps reaching out to other communities like the AB would be good. If reaching out doesn't work, a hostile takeover can always be arranged....heheh :Ecstatic:

[Senyth]

blue-diablo, on Apr 23 2009, 11:48 PM, said:

Perhaps, as a form of punishment, any warns could also affect their forum gold supply, like, 10% warn = 10% reduction of total forum gold?

Bad idea, I think. Loss of FG for any reason other than spending it is likely to push people away from the system. I do agree, however, that post count is not a good basis for basically any system other than forum titles (which, unless I'm losing my mind, BB doesn't have anyway :P). Then again, once we get our grubby hands on D3, will this even matter anymore? As far as I understand it, in-game gold is supposed to be a functional currency, and I doubt there will be enough D2 players left to make much, if any, use of a FG system. It would be a shame to spend time putting this together only for it to be rendered useless in six months. Okay, or... 12 months? :P

But I could be wrong!

I'm relatively new so I'll try to keep this short, but there is one thing that has been sort of a minor nuisance - is there any chance at all of even just loosening up the rules on HR trading/gifting? I've recently quit SC and have been toying with the idea of dismantling my paladin, but I don't want to be stuck with a homeless Grief, Fortitude, Exile, and CtA... >.> It seems to me that if you trust the person you're trading with, this shouldn't be a big deal, although I can see how it could be an issue if new people come here and try to exploit the economy (which would undoubtedly put a high price on any rune higher than Vex). Kind of iffy, but I thought I'd give it a shot anyway. ;)

[DragoonWraith]

I dislike the idea of a cross-platform currency. Wealth should not be transferable from game to game. And in cases when the game supports a viable currency, there shouldn't be any need or purpose to a forum currency. Finally, really... I don't think there is any good way to "start" with the acidbux.

In general, I dislike the idea.

I do like the idea of becoming a community for more games and more gamers. I definitely would like to see the Wiki fleshed out.

[Lydia]

I really dislike the idea of forum currency.

I like the idea of the site being a legit gaming site, although I think that's what it is now. All a member really needs to do is ask for a new section for a new game, show there's a number of people who would use it, and I'm sure it would be added.

I also think that alterations to the site should be held off until after the patch is implemented. Who know, perhaps they'll give us either a shared or enlarged stash... and then many ideas may be different.

[Malloy]

I'm just getting ideas in order to better plan future intiatives...so go nuts with anything you think might be beneficial.

As a side note, please add more detail for certain things. If you want more games added...what type of games, what games, how many games.

As for information - guides, stats, walkthroughs, technical info?

Any forum upgrades?

Any forum features to remove?

Any software enhancements?

so on... (Not just the forum, anything.)

[BMFDrew]

While I like the idea of some type of forum currency a suggestion for that would be wait and see how D3 works. I am hoping that this will solve itself.

Something as simple as making gold worth...well.... gold.

And my suggestion is to meke me the all powerful super mod so I can throw my weight around and toment my humble subjects. (gotta have goals)

[Metalzoa]

The reason why I agree with the acidbux theory is because it does work.

Items in the game have a static value determined by Blizzard themselves in terms of rarity and drop-rates. However the playfield evolves ... and items such as a small charm (eg. shimmering sc of vita) can be worth more than even the rarest rune or item. There is an external value for item that changes on a daily basis.

We already have a tracking system: The PC thread. Converting the estimate in a point system really puts everything in perspective.

We all know a Pul is worth 40 pgems on average.

Pul = 40 pgems = 40 acidbux

With a basic counting formula off that, the PC threads become a Bazaar of sorts ..... people appraising their items in our version of the open market and get a point value for it.

This point value makes it easy to trade without having a buyer's specific needs or forcing him to trade someone else to get the benefit of the transaction. A trade with the bank (limit input to once or twice a week so as not to overwork volunteers) where they pick up your items and give you acidbux for it.

The profit from the bank is put into legit cubing projects and other niceties so that we can actually have access to high end weapons, verified as legit by the bazaar system. The items will be named by the bank to prevent any trickery or duping. These items are considered legit by the Bazaar and can be traded between members.


I have thought and written so much on this issue, so if you guys ever consider it I got some ideas kicking around to shape it. I'll even come back to D2 to help wherever I can. Promise :D

[DragoonWraith]

Transferring wealth between games, or even ladder <-> non-ladder are very bad things, IMO.

I do agree that setting up a value for the acidbux shouldn't be hard, but determining what people start with is difficult.

[Metalzoa]

DragoonWraith, on Apr 24 2009, 07:05 PM, said:

Transferring wealth between games, or even ladder <-> non-ladder are very bad things, IMO.

I do agree that setting up a value for the acidbux shouldn't be hard, but determining what people start with is difficult.

zero acidbux?

edit: Also assumed the acidbux depends on what ladder and realm and mode you're playing. Can't trade in USE HCL and and buy with the same acidbux in softcore or USW or whatnot.

This post has been edited by Metalzoa: 24 April 2009 - 02:27 PM

[DragoonWraith]

OK, then I can see it for D2 - but I hope D3 will not need it.